“They will flip it round” – Den of Wolves (and ex-Payday) builders talk about Payday 3’s shaky launch


Payday 3 is not the explosive hit many people the place anticipating. As of writing, it has a 24-hour Steam peak of 1,489 gamers. That clearly would not take into consideration these having fun with it on consoles, the Epic Sport Retailer or Sport Cross, however, when in comparison with the 27,099 24-hour peak that serves as Payday 2‘s excessive watermark, it paints fairly the image. It is clear to everybody that if the sport will ever attain the heights of its predeccesor, it has an extended option to go.

Whereas opinions on the sport are as plentiful because the payments in its banks, there is not any higher group of individuals to quiz with regards to Payday 3 than the choose few builders who created the Payday sequence within the first place. It’s well-known that each Ulf Andersson and Simon Viklund – two thirds of the unique trio who based Overkill – cut up from Starbreeze to create model new tasks like GTFO and the lately revealed Den of Wolves as a part of 10 Chambers. Of this pair, it was Viklund who shared his ideas on the matter in Unity’s Copenhagen places of work.

“I performed it one night with Ulf and a few different founders and we had enjoyable!” Viklund begins. “They’re enjoying to their viewers. They’ve this set up base and so they’re giving extra of the identical. It’s been up to date with some mechanics – getting found once you’re in stealth is a bit fuzzier. When the alarm goes off it’s nonetheless full on sausage till you both fail the heist or succeed.”

At this level, Viklund makes a distinction between the Payday sequence and the work that is been occurring at 10 Chambers. GTFO was notably a step away from the heist style. Nonetheless a tactical cooperative FPS, positive. However clearly veering into another course to banks and hostages. “Possibly [Starbreeze] might have innovated extra? It’s enjoying to their strengths and their viewers. It has an enormous viewers! It’s the suitable factor to do. It’s robust to compete with their very own product the way in which that they do. Payday 2 has a lot content material.”

From right here the dialog shifts inevitably in direction of the state of Payday 3 at launch. The sport had fairly the build-up in pleasure from new and outdated followers alike, resulting in an all-time peak of 247,628 gamers on Steam alone. Nonetheless, as a consequence of server points and a wide range of different lacklustre points, this quantity rapidly fell. Viklund, whereas brazenly sympathetic to the devs who labored on the sport, states this sympathy is certainly not bottomless.


It is a exhausting lesson discovered – that first impressions are all the pieces at the present time.

“I don’t really feel unhealthy for them, an excessive amount of. It’s demoralising clearly to work exhausting on this recreation, launch it, and for it to have 500 gamers. I believe we checked earlier right this moment because it occurs. It might sound like we’re checking every single day, however we simply occurred to verify! However there have been like 30,000 [players] on Payday 2 on the similar time. I don’t really feel too unhealthy for them, as a result of Payday 2 is their recreation. They’re nonetheless being profitable from DLC for that recreation. So so long as they take that cash and put that in direction of extra content material in Payday 3, they’ll flip it round.”

With reference to the sport’s preliminary server points, and the lack of momentum that got here because of this additional perception was offered by Viklund, in addition to communications lead Robin Björkell, who described the scenario as “fairly brutal”.

“[It] chanced on the end line,” Viklund provides. “I believe that they had some points within the beta that they held near launch, and so they didn’t repair that. Or they didn’t have the time to repair that, as a result of that they had already selected the discharge date. That’s robust. That’s like a pointless beta. Should you don’t anticipate the beta to be buggy and have sufficient time to repair these potential bugs, it’s form of a window-dressing beta. It’s a advertising factor to get individuals [hyped up] greater than it’s an precise testing setting.”

At this level, Robin jumps in together with his personal take: “There’s a lot stuff that should work that they possibly weren’t used to. Payday 2 launched simply [on] Steam proper? They’ve by no means achieved a cross-platform recreation earlier than. There’s a lot that wants to enter that. It’s on Sport Cross too – what number of gamers does that generate? There are like 30 million Sport Cross subscribers – so it’s exhausting to know what number of would play the sport at launch.”

Regardless of the gentle criticsm, Viklund re-emphasises his total stance of wishing the crew at Starbreeze nicely. “We want them nicely and hope it goes nicely, for positive. Over time as they put content material into Payday 3, it would form of shift so individuals flip to that recreation extra. I assume for individuals who put a whole lot of {dollars} into DLC for Payday 2, it’s exhausting to desert all of that to start out enjoying a recreation the place you don’t have anything.”

“I’m not wishing that they tank. If they’ve a very good product, which means we have now to push for a greater product.”


Den of Wolves is the upcoming first particular person futuristic heist recreation from 10 Chambers. Whereas it has no launch window but, we have spoken to the devs on the company free-for-all the sport will place you in, in addition to how the Steel Gear Rising composer helps Viklund create a soundtrack “heavier” than Payday.



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